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KMac
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May 1st, 2011 @ 8:07PM
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| Awesome. |
Jubedgy
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May 1st, 2011 @ 8:10PM
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| Mission Accomplished! So...now what? |
killer6600
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May 1st, 2011 @ 8:11PM
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| if they found him where cnn is reporting they found him (just outside of pakistans capital in a mansion) can we all agree it`s time to rape pakistan with nukes? |
Delphie
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May 1st, 2011 @ 8:14PM
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| It`s been confrimed!! |
ReaverSC
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May 1st, 2011 @ 8:27PM
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| We get out of Afghanistan and Iraq? Hint, hint ;) |
BlueFalcon
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May 1st, 2011 @ 9:23PM
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| I feel great satisfaction, but frankly I wish they had just made him disappear. Politically, of course, that would never happen since politicians would line up to beat their chests over this announcement. Still, UBL should be at the bottom of the Indian Ocean with cement boots--and not a peep ever said about it. This would leave Al Queda without a central figure, and no one would know why (is he dead, retired, hiding, what?). UBL's network would be left rudderless and he wouldn't become a Che Gueverra type martyr. |
undreaming
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| Can we bring out folks back now? |
KMac
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| BlueFalcon, I don't think we exactly removed an active leader here. I think he's been out of communication for about a decade now. Maybe it would have been better to make him disappear...but (even the most cynical among us can) just see what happens over the next few weeks to see why that didn't (and would never) happen.
(To be clear, I think it's best for the country to announce this loudly, and I'm glad that's what's happened.) |
hjparcins
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May 1st, 2011 @ 9:34PM
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| I don't know - did we have to kill him? He didn't even have a fair trial. Couldn't we have captured and rehabilitated him? |
Mazer_R
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May 1st, 2011 @ 9:36PM
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| Nothing is going to change. |
BiVRiP
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May 1st, 2011 @ 9:38PM
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| I agree, this was more a symbolic display/victory rather than strategic. It's the catharsis many Americans have been waiting for for almost a decade. |
BlueFalcon
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May 1st, 2011 @ 9:50PM
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| Yeah Kmac, we've so vigorously attacked the Al Quada chain of command over the years that it has become a more horizontal organization with independent cells. I'm kind of recycling an argument I made 8 or 9 years ago, back when it mattered. The jubilation is fun, but I think there are Americans who are stupid enough to believe that the war on terror is over. I wish the bogey man was still out there, if only to keep the focus (and avoid making UBL a martyr).
Big hairy bull balls on the guy who pulled the trigger on UBL. I wonder if we will ever know who it was, or if he will remain anonymous for his protection? How soon before the book and movie? |
Trickshot
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May 1st, 2011 @ 9:56PM
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| They`re running around mountains with sandals and the best they`ve got is IEDs. We have unmanned drones equipped with hellfire missiles. What the fuck is going on? |
bomberman
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May 1st, 2011 @ 9:58PM
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| Big hairy bull balls on the guy who pulled the trigger on UBL. I wonder if we will ever know who it was, or if he will remain anonymous for his protection? How soon before the book and movie?
That man will never have to buy a drink again for the rest of his life. |
Charkoth
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May 1st, 2011 @ 10:30PM
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| Hopefully they had some "fun" with him before they shot him in his face. |
cobsteele02
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| Woot about time. Great news indeed! |
RowdyRoddyPiper
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May 2nd, 2011 @ 4:18AM
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| Bin laden has been long dead or as he goes by the name tim osman. The story here is the globalist bankers that run our country and this kenyan fraud have a big problem on their hands now with libya. so they had to "kill" the boogeyman. Doubtful they will pull out of afganistan because they are there to control the poppyfields to ship in the cocaine here to the united states. So dont be a sucker. nothing will change...maybe just a small troop reduction. This is just to put the thought in your head that one major enemy has been defeated, a victory. It makes you feel good so the slate is clean in your head and you can then go "whats next! whos next! oh ok gadaffi!" and then they will of course roll out more boogeymen. Now i have to watch all over, at work as people bug their eyes out and wave their chinese made 50 cent flags they got at walmart and go yeah "USA USA USA!" all i can do is roll my eyes at suckers that just dont know any better and of course will not listen.
Anyways what a former cia agent said was bin laden died shortly after sept 2011 by kidney failure he was protected by a big group of cia in a dubai hospital. They kept his body on ice to roll out when they finally were ready to announce he was killed. So you might expect to see some crude pics released of this raid and his corpse....if they release any photos at all |
RowdyRoddyPiper
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May 2nd, 2011 @ 4:24AM
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| Oh one more thing suckers. the TSA will still be there putting their greasy fingers in your 6 year old`s orifices. because to the golbalist bankers YOU are the bin ladens |
Signum666
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May 2nd, 2011 @ 5:33AM
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| I'm not convinced until I see a death certificate. |
Charkoth
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May 2nd, 2011 @ 6:24AM
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| I love how all of these news organizations have all of these obituaries already written for him. Who the F wants to read about his life? We just want to see the kill shot. |
Smokin Joe
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May 2nd, 2011 @ 6:27AM
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| As much as I want to hope he died suffering and painfully.. I'm just glad he's gone, and we didn't have to resort to pathetic and dishonorable methods to kill or embarrass him. We used good ol' fashioned American Gumption. Sent a team of our best and brightest and they got the job done. Again.
Go Home Team! |
radvan
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May 2nd, 2011 @ 7:13AM
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| Yay! |
RyanS
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May 2nd, 2011 @ 7:46AM
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| What I love is we got him on the ground. We went in, shot him in the head, and dragged his body out.
That`s the most American thing I`ve heard in a while. |
craig
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May 2nd, 2011 @ 9:39AM
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Blazer
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May 2nd, 2011 @ 9:48AM
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Gabe
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May 2nd, 2011 @ 9:48AM
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| How fitting...US soldiers come knocking, and Bin Laden hides behind a woman.
I'm glad it wasn't a bomb. I'm glad that an American soldier burned him down.
I hope he was scared when he died.
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Darren
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May 2nd, 2011 @ 11:07AM
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| Obama did a good job keeping up the manhunt, I was actually wondering if he was even bothering with it. Apparently he was doing the James Bond thing since after taking office, sneaky devil! He deserves the approval bump.
One report I read stated that his orders were to kill and not capture. Given the CF that happened with his attempt to close Gitmo, I applaud the POTUS gutsy decision and leadership command here. Dropping him in the ocean is good, too. I can now feel better about peeing in the water when I go to the beach.
Next order of business - cut off all funding and handouts to Pakistan forever. We did this without their help, they shielded him (35 miles outside their freaking capital, gimme a break). Time to let people know what happens when you stab us in the back.
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Smokin Joe
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May 2nd, 2011 @ 11:41AM
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| I agree whole-heartedly Darren with what should be done with Pakistan.
I recall specifically during the 2008 Election, Barack Obama calling out Pakistan. I don't think he has trusted them one iota. My only source of shame is how Pakistan keeps getting goddamn Aid money. I'd hate to think what kind of terrible things they use it for that has nothing to do with protecting our interests. |
killer6600
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May 2nd, 2011 @ 12:20PM
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| i love how the pakistan story is going, america says no one helped, no one knew. pakistan says they did this specific thing, someone comes out says they didn`t do this specific thing, and reiterates no one helped, no one knew. then pakistan says they did specific thing 2, someone comes out and says they didn`t do specific thing 2, also no one knew, no one helped. pakistan says they did specific thing 3......
thats happened like 5 times today.
simple solution, pakistan needs aid handouts, i feel they don`t have enough exploded uranium or mushroom clouds. can america send some of those over? |
Nebuchadnezzar
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May 2nd, 2011 @ 2:03PM
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| English, mf-er! |
Smokin Joe
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May 2nd, 2011 @ 2:16PM
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| English, mf-er!
DO YOU SPEAK IT? |
RowdyRoddyPiper
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May 2nd, 2011 @ 4:44PM
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| told ya a year or so again pakistan was the next big target for the bilderbergers. Guess they got their pretext now! |
Nebuchadnezzar
The King
May 2nd, 2011 @ 4:49PM
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| New Enemy List
1. China < But can't ever attack them so we're friends.
1. Yemen Al'Qada
2. Somalia < F-ing Pirates + Black Hawk Down
3. Iran
4. North Korea < Can't ever attack, Nukes
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Charkoth
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May 2nd, 2011 @ 5:13PM
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| North Korea isn't even a threat any more. They are going to go the route of Cuba before long....no chance at them getting the technology to launch a ballistic at us.
Could wipe Somalia off the map with a single carrier, not even worth the list.
I think our #1 enemy these days is ourselves. |
Wootah
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May 2nd, 2011 @ 6:09PM
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| P.S. The longform birth certificate is a fake. It was photochopped and badly.
In fact the Whitehouse PULLED it off the their website. Which doesn't make sense since 1E7 people downloaded it. |
Ykant
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May 2nd, 2011 @ 7:25PM
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| Charkoth, I have to respectfully agree with you. |
GroverDill
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May 2nd, 2011 @ 11:55PM
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| I think our #1 enemy these days is ourselves.
This is probably true, although I suspect that we differ significantly in the supporting arguments and prescribed fixes. |
Nebuchadnezzar
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May 3rd, 2011 @ 9:05AM
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| Yeah but North Korea can still attack South Korea (our loyal customers) and possibly Japan. North Korea also was sneaking in and stealing people from Japan and taking them back to North Korea. Look that one up. |
Signum666
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May 3rd, 2011 @ 9:06AM
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| I had a discussion with some colleagues today about how this whole operation took place. I just love how the US sends a Navy Seal squad in to assassinate Bin Laden. Pakistan always insisted that Bin Laden wasn't in Pakistan. The US finds out he does and just sends in a team of Navy Seals. How can you not see that as a class act? I could already see Obama issuing the order, "but Mr. President, shouldn't we inform Pakistan?" "f*ck Pakistan! Send in the seals!". Now Pakistan doesn't know what the hell happened, but since they've always been denying the fact that Bin Laden was in their country they can't say a lot about it. I have to admit that the "kill first, talk later" is really funny coming from the president of the US. |
Smokin Joe
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May 3rd, 2011 @ 10:20AM
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| It was Seal Team 6. They are part of the Black Operations Tier (Tier One) of Special Forces and work under direct orders of the President.
Friggin' awesome.
This was a long time coming, and it would seem President Obama had quite the hand in the process. |
Charkoth
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May 3rd, 2011 @ 10:59AM
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| "Yeah but North Korea can still attack South Korea (our loyal customers) and possibly Japan. North Korea also was sneaking in and stealing people from Japan and taking them back to North Korea. Look that one up."
Yeah I should have figured your interest in Korea had more to do with your profession. I just recall in my mind somewhere the South Korean youth reponding negatively to the US trying to bully North Korea into giving up their nuclear arms. Basically, while they are our allies we spend way to many BILLIONS of dollars a year protecting their borders which I don't think they appreciate or deserve.
Joe, take your nose out of Obama's ass. The president has to authorize any military action so I wouldn't say he had quite the hand in the process as if anything that happened was his idea personally.....something that was rather annoying in his speech to the nation. He took way too much credit for the whole event for things that only involved him rubber stamping the go ahead.
The military and CIA came up with options and advisers all presented the potential outcomes. It wasn't like Obama himself came up with flung his decision in the face of the Joint Cheifs who wanted to resort to bombing and told them instead he wanted a strategic covert strike instead.
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Nebuchadnezzar
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May 3rd, 2011 @ 1:18PM
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| I wouldn't give Obama all the credit, if you read the stories it took years (even before Obama) to pull that off. Instead you can congratulate whoever did the work, and everyone in charge along the way. |
Smokin Joe
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May 3rd, 2011 @ 1:50PM
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| Yeah I should have figured your interest in Korea had more to do with your profession. I just recall in my mind somewhere the South Korean youth reponding negatively to the US trying to bully North Korea into giving up their nuclear arms. Basically, while they are our allies we spend way to many BILLIONS of dollars a year protecting their borders which I don't think they appreciate or deserve.
A lot of that stems from South Koreans viewing North Koreans as simply, Koreans. There was a time where there wasn't two Korean Countries. I feel there is a cultural soft-spot for that. Also, South Korea feels all the negative affects of strict diplomacy on NK. Whether it be immigants (even tho China REALLY is trying to keep them out), unprovoked attacks or just general threats.
Joe, take your nose out of Obama's ass. The president has to authorize any military action so I wouldn't say he had quite the hand in the process as if anything that happened was his idea personally.....something that was rather annoying in his speech to the nation. He took way too much credit for the whole event for things that only involved him rubber stamping the go ahead.
The military and CIA came up with options and advisers all presented the potential outcomes. It wasn't like Obama himself came up with flung his decision in the face of the Joint Cheifs who wanted to resort to bombing and told them instead he wanted a strategic covert strike instead.
I never said he did, I just said that he had quite the hand in the process, as in I'm of the opinion that he had a lot of interaction with said process (due to the nature of how Seal Team Six/Tier One Operations are run). I know the tip came in 2007, before he was President. And while I mis-interpreted a passage that led me to believe that Seal Team Six is only under orders of the President and operate solely under the Black Ops Tier - in reality: It's the only weapon the President can utilize that skips all forms of bureaucracy, so no levels of approval are required to send out that death squad (hide yo' grandma).
Also, it occurred on President Obama's watch, I can give him props as the overseer. I'm not stupid enough and obviously neither was he, to believe one person is capable of completing such a mission.. However, in the end he is the leader, and his decisions are the ones they went with, and it was a success.
EDIT: It makes me personally proud because I did believe that Barack can lead successfully while there were many others who didn't. I had about as much evidence as the naysayers so the argument was close to moot. Now with a number of significantly important decisions and great accomplishments, I feel vindicated in my opinion that Barack can do astronomically better than simply leading people out of a wet paper bag.
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Nebuchadnezzar
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May 3rd, 2011 @ 2:12PM
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| Turns out his hand in the process was delaying the attack 2 days. Thanks buddy. That's really helping.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1383010/Osama-Bin-Laden-dead-Obama-took-16-hours-make-mind.html#ixzz1LJkz0f2d
Obama took SIXTEEN HOURS to make up his mind about Bin Laden mission
It makes me personally proud because I did believe that Barack can lead successfully while there were many others who didn't.
Him leading is to approve an obvious mission, and 16 hours later after he takes a nap. I guess we're lucky Bin laden lived there 6 years anyway.
It's great he caught him, but I doubt much was due to his skill just as little was to do with Bush's skill in catching him besides enabling the agencies that do the real work.
however, at least Obama finally did SOMETHING good. Least he didn't try to take him alive to have a hippy trial.
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Smokin Joe
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May 3rd, 2011 @ 2:26PM
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| I'm sure if the mission had failed, no one would have pointed any fingers at President Obama and his lack of Leadership.
Of course he'd deserve blame in failure, but conversely praise in success.
Him leading is to approve an obvious mission, and 16 hours later after he takes a nap. I guess we're lucky Bin laden lived there 6 years anyway.
Haters still gon' hate. |
BlueFalcon
Word To Your Mom
May 3rd, 2011 @ 3:09PM
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| Oof, now there are these stories quibbling over whether UBL was armed or not and the nature of his resistance. I wish Barry would grow some man balls and just say something along the lines of, "we wanted him dead. Period". Now were going to have bleeding hearts crying that he was murdered and not brought to justice. He got all the justice he deserved and we were able to avoid a circus sideshow. How he happened to die is mere trivia. |
GroverDill
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May 3rd, 2011 @ 4:01PM
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| Turns out his hand in the process was delaying the attack 2 days. Thanks buddy. That's really helping.
Oh, come on. Given the outcome, that's a pretty retarded thing to be criticizing the president for.
I wouldn't say that Obama deserves a ton of personal credit for killing Osama Bin Laden, but the fact is that most of the people on this thread for some reason would have still expected him to take a typical passive hippie "lob a grenade and hide" sort of approach in a situation like this. It would have probably been less risky to send in a drone or an airstrike or something, but that is not the decision that the president made. The president made a Reagan decision here, when it could have easily gone Carter.
I realize that you guys hate Obama with the heat of a thousand suns, but if you can't give him a little middling credit every once in a while for being kind of a badass when he genuinely deserves it, then you are just being dicks. |
Nebuchadnezzar
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May 3rd, 2011 @ 4:46PM
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| Oh, come on. Given the outcome, that's a pretty retarded thing to be criticizing the president for.
They've said before they've missed Bin Laden or other terrorist leaders by hour(s) before. So we can thus conclude that it was risky in most situations except if the guy happened to be living there 6 years (if that's true).
The president made a Reagan decision here
Regan wouldn't have taken and nap and thought about it.
but if you can't give him a little middling credit every once in a while for being kind of a badass
Exactly what badass thing has he done? He gave the final call to do a mission. He was the one in charge when they got him. Otherwise, let's look at all of the rest of how he's done and our current situation. If it weren't for this win, he'd be in a situation as bad as Carter.
-Gas Prices ++++++
-Wars all over, he said he'd leave and hasn't left any of them. Read the link the other day about Iraq bloody war still?
-Food costs skyrocketing, other goods costs up
Have you seen that polls are not going up for Obama despite this? I hear friends say he's totally got the election with this kill.
It's great to be proud of America, the armed forces, and this accomplishment. But nothing has really changed unless he was somehow leading Al'Qada still. The #1 guy steps up Al QLKAJAZRARA (sp). The cells are all still out there. And they've stired up a hornet's nest of pissed off terrorists. (But good job anyway).
As to Bin Laden: What a joke about him living in a cave if that's how he was living.
I don't hate Obama, he just sucks anyway. He's a corporate clown with 0 skills. He's done nothing to improve our lives. He sucked in response to Japan. His other "win" is being cut away every day (health care).
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Trickshot
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May 3rd, 2011 @ 7:01PM
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| New enemy list? How about Mexico. |
dmikon
Peon
May 3rd, 2011 @ 7:33PM
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| Nebu: Wars I agree on. However, how can Obama stop gas or food prices from rising? They are controlled by private entities, it`s not like he can pass a low gas cost bill and cap gas at $2/gallon.
A bunch of greedy assholes almost destroyed our financial system, a ton of money was printed everywhere to save governments from collapsing, and now that we are out of the bottom of the hole, all this is starting to catch up with us.
What do you suggest he do to make a commodity (oil), that everyone in the world wants more and more that we have a limited supply of, cheaper? |
BlueFalcon
Word To Your Mom
May 3rd, 2011 @ 9:04PM
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| I'm no fan of Obama Nebu, but I do give him some credit for moving forward with this plan. Did he make the plan himself? No. Did he possibly waffle a bit at decision time? Maybe. Was this the result of years of work spanning two administrations? Yes. Did this plan benefit from interrogation methods that Obama campaigned against? Probably.
At the end of the day though, if this thing failed he would have had egg all over his face. Think about it...he sent a few dozen elite soldiers in some helicopters into a tenuous ally's country--without that country's knowledge or permission. It was a residential neigborhood in a military town 30 miles from the capital. All sorts of things could have gone wrong (ala Desert One). In fact something did go wrong when one of the helos had a mechanical problem, but no one panicked. Also, it's possible bin Laden wouldn't be there, or there would be some hue and cry about collateral damage. Heck, it's possible bin Laden would be taken alive, and what a headache that would be! In spite of all these risks, he still gave the go ahead knowing that his chestnuts would be roasting on the fire if the mission was a failure (yes, I've made three separate references to man balls in this thread--I don't know what's gotten into me).
It's sad seeing how this story is getting spun into all different directions, depending upon the audience. You have the panzy bleeding hearts saying we should have taken him alive and given him a trial, and they're abhorring the fact that there was so much celebration. You have the conspiracy theorists saying, "show me the pics (and even then we'll cry Photoshop)". You have the usual cast of right wing critics saying things like, "it's just a symbolic victory anyway", or "Reagan, GWB, etc woulda done it better."
Can't we just say, "America! Fuck Yeah!" |
Nebuchadnezzar
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May 3rd, 2011 @ 9:39PM
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| In spite of all these risks, he still gave the go ahead knowing that his chestnuts would be roasting on the fire if the mission was a failure
One thing people don't consider is we go on missions like this ALL THE TIME. The only difference is, it was the most high value target, and we actually get to hear about it. Watch "THE UNIT". Do you think they never go into places right next to allied or enemy military bases? :)
We probably never hear about most of the failures unless as article's point out, the few cases where we find out. Delta Force in the 1970s/80s? And a few other instances.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_Delta_Force
They're doing this crap all the time, esp since 2001. |
GroverDill
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May 3rd, 2011 @ 10:03PM
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| Regan wouldn't have taken and nap and thought about it.
Well first, Reagan was constantly taking naps and thinking about things, which is not something I really begrudge him since he was 105 years old during his presidency. Maybe you think that revelation diminishes his legacy but I don't.
Second, if the intelligence indicated that bin Laden had been sitting in a mansion for six years and that there was little movement in and out of the house, then why the hell not take a couple extra days to think about it?
Third, Obama had a responsibility to consider the non-military implications that the operation would have beyond the simple act of killing bin Laden. For instance, details such as how to deal with the body so as to not piss off the world's moderate muslims, ensure credible identification, and also not end up a tourist destination for budding jihadists could have been decided during that time.
Again, to criticize an ultimately successful operation for being too thoughtful is ridiculous.
Exactly what badass thing has he done? He gave the final call to do a mission.
Read my previous response again if you are confused about this. There were any number of potential military responses to finding bin Laden holed up in a house in Pakistan, and the final choice of which option to follow fell solely upon Obama. Sending in 2 dozen SEALs to kill bin Laden is a much more politically risky option than launching a missile or something. If any of those SEALs had been killed or captured, the blame would have fallen squarely on Obama, and I'm positive we would be hearing a very different story from the conservative knuckleheads of the world.
Actually, I'm pretty sure that if the operation had gone poorly, the heading on ExpectNothing would have been "Idiot Obama only took two days to authorize special ops operation that killed 3 soldiers"
Otherwise, let's look at all of the rest of how he's done and our current situation.
I don't care about all that other stuff for the purposes of this conversation. Clearly you hate Obama, that's fine. I'm just saying that your emotions about him are keeping you from looking at what he has does with any objectivity. |
nate_orenstam
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| I hear friends say he's totally got the election with this kill.
your friends have no idea what they're talking about. there's a ton of time left before we're voting for president again. obama is the by far odds-on favourite in 2012 due to his incumbency and the unserious nature of the republican field. but the idea that anyone's going to be full of this rah-rah-we-got-obl bullshit late next year and vote for obama because of that is ridiculous. bush i had a much more compelling situation after the american waltz through first gulf war, and look how that turned out. |
nate_orenstam
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| A bunch of greedy assholes almost destroyed our financial system, a ton of money was printed everywhere to save governments from collapsing, and now that we are out of the bottom of the hole, all this is starting to catch up with us.
but obama was president during much of this! he could have led a crusade against the bankers that rrp would have been proud of. he could have rolled a few heads and tossed a few white-collar criminals in club fed, or guantanamo, or abu ghraib. the man isn't exactly an innocent bystander here.
What do you suggest he do to make a commodity (oil), that everyone in the world wants more and more that we have a limited supply of, cheaper?
i'm not nebu, but i'd suggest he drop the hammer on oil speculation. |
Charkoth
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| Least he didn't try to take him alive to have a hippy trial.
It wouldn't surprise me if that wasn't exactly Obama's orders and that one of the SEALs heard the command after they captured him (Which his wife says happened) and said "Fuck that" and put a bullet in his head. This would also explain how so many people have different versions of the story and how it went down.
You guys need to educate yourself on the reasons for the increased cost of oil before bitching and moaning about it. Speculation is not a major contributor to the increase in oil prices. Commodities are typically traded in Dollars, the world reserve currency, and since the dollar is now at a three year low the price of oil has increaed to the level it was 3 years ago.
Obama can't directly control the price of oil (other than to eliminate federal taxation of it), but he CAN reverse the course of the fiscal policy that has sent the dollar plummeting since he took office and made everything that is imported from outside of the US more expensive.
Here is a nice little article published by Exxon on oil prices (yes I know, evil corporate entity).
Oil Prices
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Smokin Joe
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| Frankly, I don't really understand why you can't just give him his props Nebu without talking down about his accomplishment. I mean, it's not even the first badass SEAL Team to make it on the news during Barack's presidency. Remember the team that took out those Somali Pirates? Of course now I'm anticipating plenty of people that are going to underscore his involvement - I know he didn't do it all, I don't even know if he even gave the go-ahead, I just want to state that people realize SEAL Teams do crazy shit somewhat often.
But christ, you are going out of your way to minimize Barack's Presidency now. Lily Ledbetter, Gay Activists, Stem Cell Researchers, hell - even our stock market - is happy Barack Obama is President. Healthcare is probably the most significant.. and it's getting cut by the same people you probably would vote for.
If you really can't compromise and give credit where it is due, you lose any and all credibility during debate. |
Smokin Joe
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| It wouldn't surprise me if that wasn't exactly Obama's orders and that one of the SEALs heard the command after they captured him (Which his wife says happened) and said "Fuck that" and put a bullet in his head. This would also explain how so many people have different versions of the story and how it went down.
Apparently, his order was to "Kill or Capture" Osama.
And are you actually suggesting that a SEAL Team Six member would go against orders from a Superior Officer?? There had better not be anyone like that anywhere near our Special Forces. |
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| Instead of burying him at sea like Megatron. They should have buried his ass at ground zero. Put him in concrete as part of the new foundation of freedom tower. Biggest f you ever if you ask me. |
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| A bunch of greedy assholes almost destroyed our financial system, a ton of money was printed everywhere to save governments from collapsing, and now that we are out of the bottom of the hole, all this is starting to catch up with us.
but obama was president during much of this! he could have led a crusade against the bankers that rrp would have been proud of. he could have rolled a few heads and tossed a few white-collar criminals in club fed, or guantanamo, or abu ghraib. the man isn`t exactly an innocent bystander here.
Whether the bankers are punished or not does not reverse the damage they`ve done. You could execute all of them, and while you might prevent a future financial implosion, you won`t undo the one we`ve experienced. |
Charkoth
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| In your own words Joe, "SEALs do crazy shit somewhat often". I've had the honor of knowing a couple of SEALs in my life and they serve the United States above all. While they generally follow orders their position alone requires them to be a bit reckless and ruthless. I'm not suggesting that is what happened but as I said it wouldn't surprise me if that is what happened as it would explain a lot of the inconsistencies on what happened. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if Osama was captured alive either and we are currently taking a blow torch and pliers to him.
My brother actually had his ass saved by a SEAL when he got jumped on the strip in Virginia Beach. Some random dude jumped in fought off a group of 4 guys beating the snot out of my brother then actually jumped into the back of a pickup truck with them and continuing the beating as they fled. We met up with the guy later that night and he mentioned how he'd been training all day jumping out of helicopters into the ocean. Totally fearless and crazy guys.
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| For those who insist on asking what's to be gained by the death of this one man, my answer:
Satisfaction. |
Smokin Joe
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| In your own words Joe, "SEALs do crazy shit somewhat often". I've had the honor of knowing a couple of SEALs in my life and they serve the United States above all. While they generally follow orders their position alone requires them to be a bit reckless and ruthless. I'm not suggesting that is what happened but as I said it wouldn't surprise me if that is what happened as it would explain a lot of the inconsistencies on what happened. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if Osama was captured alive either and we are currently taking a blow torch and pliers to him.
Frankly, that's a possibility - we never really know what the hell is going on, especially when it comes to war, however I feel the Capture/Kill command could have been followed with a wink or something that keeps the President's ass clean and un-kill-on-sight while giving the SEALs the go ahead to just wipe em all out.
My brother actually had his ass saved by a SEAL when he got jumped on the strip in Virginia Beach. Some random dude jumped in fought off a group of 4 guys beating the snot out of my brother then actually jumped into the back of a pickup truck with them and continuing the beating as they fled. We met up with the guy later that night and he mentioned how he'd been training all day jumping out of helicopters into the ocean. Totally fearless and crazy guys.
Very cool. And yes, they gotta have that extra something to want to do what they do. They are the best of the best, of the best. It's hard not to be proud of the men and women who do the dirty work for our Armed Forces. |
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| Whether the bankers are punished or not does not reverse the damage they`ve done. You could execute all of them, and while you might prevent a future financial implosion, you won`t undo the one we`ve experienced.
it doesn't have to reverse the damage done. obama had a perfect opportunity to say 'hey, i didn't have much to do with this crisis but i'ma damn sure make certain it doesn't happen again' and the whole thing could have been a positive for him. |
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| Whether the bankers are punished or not does not reverse the damage they`ve done. You could execute all of them, and while you might prevent a future financial implosion, you won`t undo the one we`ve experienced.
Isn't that essentially why it's always best to keep moving forward? I don't mean to just forgive and forget - you need to learn from past mistakes, but harping on what can't be changed really gets no one anywhere. |
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| To this day, I don't think most people really understand what exactly happened during the financial crisis, what led to it and how nothing has changed since it happened.
I've watched Inside Job (LINK) twice now and it's still mind numbing how virtually no one has been held accountable for something that was undeniably preventable.
Obama has done good in several areas, but when it comes to reform of the financial system he gets a failing grade from me. As it stands, there is absolutely nothing preventing the same thing from happening all over again. |
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| I will say Obama is doing a better job than Clinton or Carter with his wars and the 2 events (Bin Laden/Pirates).
Bush invaded Iraq for no reason. I don't know if we can really figure out if Afghanistan was worth it. I think since the terrorists haven't hit us since then, it gave them a place to attach our soldiers away from our civilians. If that's the case, then it's a success. |
Charkoth
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| The US has been far more Pro-Military/conflict after 9/11. All the US had to fall back on for Carter and Clinton was Vietnam. Obama is doing a better job because the wars are the #2 concern of the American people behind the economy and he cant come off as weak. |
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| But christ, you are going out of your way to minimize Barack`s Presidency now. Lily Ledbetter, Gay Activists, Stem Cell Researchers, hell - even our stock market - is happy Barack Obama is President. Healthcare is probably the most significant.. and it`s getting cut by the same people you probably would vote for.
I guess if you consider those good things, then he is doing well. There are people who consider those bad things. (apart from the stock market)
I love how just before Iraq everyone was all "USA! USA!", then everyone was against the war, and now we are right back to the "USA! USA!" feeling, even though we put foot troops on a sovereign (nuclear) nation`s soil and executed someone.
Don`t get me wrong, I think it was a great move, but it seems like the same people who were against the Iraq war are all about us assassinating people in foreign countries. |
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| I guess if you consider those good things, then he is doing well. There are people who consider those bad things. (apart from the stock market)
What's wrong with Lily?
Don`t get me wrong, I think it was a great move, but it seems like the same people who were against the Iraq war are all about us assassinating people in foreign countries.
I'm more of a war hawk than a lot of people I know - I want us asserting our influence to some capacity in Pakistan/Afghanistan. However, I was very disappointed with the decision to go into Iraq. While the ends were great, people were liberated, we should have completed a significant portion of the Afghanistan objectives instead of leaving so many loose ends before coming back. If they had done that, then I'd probably be 100% behind the decision, but it just didn't seem to make sense.
I'm just mentioning this because you could be against the Iraq war and still love what they are doing only slightly East of there.
But your overall point of how fickle much of the population is wasn't lost - I can see how Politicians can ignore or grow tired of our opinions/desires because they change so drastically depending on the emotions at the time.
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