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jaykaywhy
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March 28th, 2012 @ 11:47AM
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| Grandstanding. Everybody`s aware of the issues by now, it seems like anything else by now is trying to provoke a lynch mob mentality.
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Wootah
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March 28th, 2012 @ 12:44PM
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| This should be a single item in a greater 'Trayvon' thread. |
m0rb0
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March 28th, 2012 @ 12:52PM
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| Yeah, but this isn't my site. This topic is mad polarizing. I don't want to "open a can of worms" on a site that isn't mine.
if Nebu OK's it, or makes a "bigger" thread, I would agree. |
m0rb0
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March 28th, 2012 @ 1:27PM
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| @jaykaywhy I would tend to agree... |
Smokin Joe
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March 28th, 2012 @ 1:33PM
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| I approve of the man expressing his opinions. I also believe there is plenty of racial-profiling going on in the country, much of it completely unknown by the population. He wasn't necessarily targetting Zimmerman solely with this act, but raising awareness to the indefensible act of profiling.
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iamtheavalanche
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March 28th, 2012 @ 3:28PM
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| the media is backing off now that the real trayvon is coming out. i hope they figure out what really happened and punish accordingly, but the media was acting like zimmerman tortured the guy.
need more facts and less hearsay before we condemn. |
DarkShear
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March 28th, 2012 @ 6:12PM
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| What the congressman was doing was perfectly acceptable. Racial profiling is a part of our everyday lives and something that hopefully will become less and less as time goes on. America has a history of racism and racial profiling (as do many other countries). Turning a blind eye does not fix issues.
Now regarding the incident that happened to provoke a congressman to wear a hoodie and sunglasses; I would need more facts before passing judgement. |
killer6600
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March 28th, 2012 @ 9:30PM
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| torture bad, killing kid ok?
fact, person sees person wearing a hoodie walking in the rain
fact, person calls 911, says he's worried about this suspicious fellow, is told to not follow and stay in his car, police on the way
fact, at some point between being told to stay in his car and not follow the person he's scared of, shooter leaves safety of vehicle, follows, ruckus happens, shooters concealed weapon comes out, shooter shoots person he was scared of
fact, robbery detective - not homicide - interviews shooter, according to homicide detectives shooter is asked leading questions and not given drug/alcohol tests as is standard in all homicide investigations
fact, shooter not charged with any crime
there you have the 100% indisputible facts of the case so far, no mention of race as seems to be the complaint of the media trying to fan the flames to sell newspapers
it just seems to me that you can get at least held by the police longer for an investigation.
it seems to me that "stand your ground" and self defence is when you're under attack, not when you follow a guy around the neighborhood because he's wearing a hoodie |
Jubedgy
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March 28th, 2012 @ 9:34PM
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| Considering not all of the facts are known, this is absolutely grandstanding of the worst sort.
Question about racial profiling...
If most muslim terrorists are arabs, wouldn't you look more closely at arabs if you were trying to prevent a terrorist attack?
If most illegal immigrants are mexican, wouldn't you look more closely at mexicans if you wanted to find illegal immigrants?
Is racial profiling always bad? Should your disabled 3 year old kid or 70 year old grandma be forced to undergo a patdown by TSA in the name of "fairness" so we can say we didn't single out arabs while looking for muslim terrorists...which is a group composed almost exclusively of arabs? |
killer6600
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March 28th, 2012 @ 10:21PM
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| racial profiling isn't always bad, aslong as it's used correctly
random citizen being afraid of tall black kid in hoodie and shooting him has absolutely nothing to do with using racial profiling and or common sense to avoid patting down babies and grandmas for dirty bombs at the airport |
m0rb0
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March 29th, 2012 @ 5:27AM
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| I think it's grandstanding. Instead of using the whole circus-like atmosphere around this tragedy even worse, isn't there a better way a CONGRESSMAN could get his point across?
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I seriously didn't know he was 17. I thought he was 13. I haven't been following it much.
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hjparcins
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March 29th, 2012 @ 5:41AM
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| At first I was pissed and thought Zimmerman should be in jail and/or killed for being a maniac.
Then I found out that:
1) this Trayvon kid was a loser; he's been suspended several times and it is possible he swung on a bus driver (unclear at this point)
2) it is very likely Trayvon started a physical altercation in which he punched Zimmerman and straddled him while beating the guy's head against the ground (with eyewitnesses confirming Zimmerman was crying out for help)
3) Trayvon is not the little 12 year old they are portraying him to be; he was a 6'3" 17 year old MAN. They're making him look more like a victim by only putting out these pictures of him looking like an angel-faced kid instead of a man taller than 95% of the population.
4) Zimmerman isn't racist. He mentored two black children of a single mom for a year and raised money to help them. He has some black friend who is backing him up. Hell, he's also a registered Democrat, meaning he almost assuredly voted for Obama.
So ultimately now I'm pissed about two things. First, that I was stupid enough not to realize the media was full of shit, as usual. And second, now that the facts are out and this isn't NEARLY so cut and dry, all these racist black guys in politics are making this thing purely racial when clearly it was not.
And frankly, the fact of the matter is, black people statistically commit WAY more crimes than other races. If black politicians don't want their people "profiled," correct the culture, don't cater to it with this hoodie crap.
If I see a 6'3" black guy with his hoodie pulled up (in south/central Florida, mind you, not Chicago or some place where it's actually cold) and almost assuredly with sagging pants, I'm going to be on guard. If I see the same guy in a polo shirt and jeans that fit, I won't give two shits. It's not racial profiling, it's dumbass profiling. You dress like a dumbass, people treat you like a dumbass. Simple.
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Smokin Joe
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March 29th, 2012 @ 8:36AM
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| I don't see what the kid's rough childhood should have to do with him being potentially murdered.
And frankly, the fact of the matter is, black people statistically commit WAY more crimes than other races. If black politicians don't want their people "profiled," correct the culture, don't cater to it with this hoodie crap.
You better have some kind of source for that.
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Darren
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March 29th, 2012 @ 9:21AM
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| Grandstanding. Anything stated by a politician or "civil rights leader" especially those with store bought titles like "Rev" during a time of controversy is automatically grandstanding.
Especially the CBC, they are possibly the most ludicrous group of idiots in the country. Most of them flat out cannot be trusted and sadly they are elected by people who vote by one letter of the alphabet. See Corrine Brown and her "we care about white murders" recently. |
hjparcins
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March 29th, 2012 @ 12:33PM
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| "You better have some kind of source for that."
Uhhhh. You seriously doubt it? Dude just Google it and read one of thousands of articles confirming it. It is an unassailable fact that black people statistically commit more crimes than any other race in the U.S.
Go find the source yourself, it will take you all of 10 seconds. |
Smokin Joe
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March 29th, 2012 @ 2:46PM
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| Go find the source yourself, it will take you all of 10 seconds.
I'm not responsible for what you say.
The onus isn't on me to provide evidence to a point you're trying to prove. If it's so easy to find, yet you don't even have a link, why on God's green Earth should I believe what you wrote is accurate in the slightest?
It is an unassailable fact that black people statistically commit more crimes than any other race in the U.S.
Again, stated with no evidence.. you're not even claiming it's only your opinion. |
killer6600
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March 29th, 2012 @ 7:05PM
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| i love the "he was suspended from school and scary looking" argument
maybe instead of using his psychic powers to know what a random black kid in a hoodie has done before in his life and used said psychic powers to see his intent to deliver skittles to his brother, we wouldn't be having this convo |
Wootah
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March 29th, 2012 @ 10:12PM
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| Here is my take, i think I might have said this in the other news thread:
It is apparent that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. That wouldn't justify him being shot. However, if Trayvon tried to go for Zimmermans gun, then shooting him to keep himself from being shot (after his gun was taken) would not be a crime.
So basically if Trayvon was shot in cold blood while he was running away, Zimmerman should go to jail. Forensics should easily tell how/where trayvon was shot. Race doesn't have to enter into it. |
Darren
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March 29th, 2012 @ 11:22PM
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| Can't we all just get along? Wait, that was 21 years ago. Apparently, no, we cannot.
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hjparcins
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March 30th, 2012 @ 5:31AM
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| "The onus isn't on me to provide evidence to a point you're trying to prove."
It's not on me, either. This isn't debate team, you dork. If you want to stick your head in the sand, go nuts. Otherwise you can go educate yourself - but since you're not paying me my hourly rate, I'm not going to put together a binder of supporting evidence to appease your laziness. |
Smokin Joe
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March 30th, 2012 @ 7:41AM
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| It's not on me, either. This isn't debate team, you dork. If you want to stick your head in the sand, go nuts. Otherwise you can go educate yourself - but since you're not paying me my hourly rate, I'm not going to put together a binder of supporting evidence to appease your laziness.
Making arguments based on no facts: RRP has taught you well - almost too well, he at least provides links to videos/articles.
So I guess without evidence, it's just your opinion. A lazy, and kind of awkward opinion. |
hjparcins
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March 30th, 2012 @ 10:00AM
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| Yeah, because that makes sense. I didn't include footnotes, so clearly facts cannot exist!
Hey, the sun is hot. But I didn't link an article or study, so I guess it's just "opinion."
Educate yourself, you clearly need it. |
Smokin Joe
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March 30th, 2012 @ 10:43AM
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| It really depends on your definition of 'hot.' Are we talking astronomical terms? What's the context of this observation and conversation? Yeah, if we're walkin down the street, ok - I have experienced this before and am feeling it at the moment, so no need for sourcing.
But you saying that black people commit the most crimes of any race in the USA... I need some sources for that - as well as are you talking about relatively speaking given their population? You sure you want the entire USA and not just Florida? Do you count everyone charged or just found guilty? What types of crimes?
I guess I actually like to have substance in my discussions. Not just general opinion and assumptions. I actually feel bad that you don't find it necessary to own up to something you said when someone calls you out on it.
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