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LanceKiller
Peon
September 16th, 2010 @ 9:48PM
Registered:
2006-10-12
Location:
Anywhere they put me
Posts: 228
| The fear that Shlonglor never comes back inhabits all newbies of the 1996 generation. |
DeuceOfSpades
Kali Compton
September 16th, 2010 @ 9:56PM
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2003-04-12
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Posts: 3180
| A form of griefing? Give me a break. |
Wootah
non-leet
September 17th, 2010 @ 10:41AM
Registered:
2003-05-16
Location:
Utah
Posts: 1463
| Looking at the history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Smurfing_(online_gaming)&action=history
Whoever made this edit: 22:14, 22 June 2008 24.119.117.120 (talk) (2,945 bytes) (Removed paragraph that gave credit to an individual where it is NOT due. Rephrased to give true nature of the term).
Really though, changing it will end up in a revert war. It would almost require you having kept your page up for all these years and links to it as citations. |
what316
Shithead
September 17th, 2010 @ 11:21AM
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2003-03-26
Location:
TX
Posts: 964
| i dunno claiming you created a wall in is kinda silly. any 8 year old that picks up an rts game will eventually think of doing that without the help of your `innovation` in strategy. It`s p much common sense. |
killer6600
Marine
September 17th, 2010 @ 11:49AM
Registered:
2007-06-16
Location:
canada
Posts: 1156
| we should change it to say that lincoln freed the slaves, there`s literally no original internet link from an actual witness showing that he did it, just hearsay |
DeuceOfSpades
Kali Compton
September 17th, 2010 @ 12:08PM
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2003-04-12
Location:
Posts: 3180
| Get a link to your old website using http://web.archive.org. That will give a timestamp of the term being used on your website. |
Nebuchadnezzar
The King
September 17th, 2010 @ 12:16PM
Registered:
2003-03-20
Location:
Irvine, CA
Posts: 3628
| Tou invented the Wall-in using FARMS in Warcraft II. Before that, you would never consider using a building as a wall, you were taught to defend your buildings. Farms just happened to be CHeAP and have lots of hit points.
"Get a link to your old website using http://web.archive.org" - Can't seem to find it.
EDITED: 2010-09-17 12:18:30 |
nate_orenstam
Special Ops
September 17th, 2010 @ 1:52PM
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2003-04-05
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Posts: 1406
| I'm voting that the Geoff Fraizer reference be removed. This is the sort of thing that nobody can really step forward and claim that they "coined", especially an uninfluential nobody like this person.
That's harsh, man. |
Nebuchadnezzar
The King
September 17th, 2010 @ 2:07PM
Registered:
2003-03-20
Location:
Irvine, CA
Posts: 3628
| That's harsh, man.
Yeah, esp since I started or helped begin so many things. One or the first mega fan site for a single game, smurfing, gaming stories, web gaming strategy guides, gaming comics, gaming animated comics, generic internet news blog pages, etc.
OH WELL. Just knowing and having a few other people know sure sucks. |
BlueFalcon
Word To Your Mom
September 17th, 2010 @ 2:43PM
Registered:
2003-04-27
Location:
Filth-a-delphia
Posts: 1288
| I stumbled across it yesterday when I typed in "Shlonglor" in wikipedia during a long, boring car ride. That's when I suggested it as news to you. I find it interesting that in just a few short hours someone with a vendetta decided to change the entry. I'm guessing this person saw the news update on this site and decided to act? |
Macavity
Peon
September 17th, 2010 @ 2:54PM
Registered:
2005-04-16
Location:
Posts: 105
| Nebu, there is an intense jealousy of you that exists even today which is probably the real reason why someone wanted to scrub your name from wikipedia. Your website allowed you to get your current job which is far better than `E-fame`. There are many people who try get `E-fame` and they only get poor in the process. I think you got the better end.
There was someone who made a Warcraft 2 preservation page including Shlonglor`s Warcraft 2 page. For some reason, very recently, it went down. Here is a cache of it.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ho217TcRUBUJ:war2.winnieinternet.com/shlongStrat/strat.htm+war2.winnieinternet.com+shlonglor&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
And I can confirm `smurfing` definitely came from "Shlonglor". The term spread through many RTS games afterward and generally stayed in the language. I remember first hearing `smurfing` and was amused someone turned the cute `smurf` into a verb! haha
The Wall-In also amazed me back then too. I never thought of using buildings as a wall! Buildings were to be protected by walls or by towers. But what else are you supposed to do with the stupid farms?
The mage bombing also blew my mind back then too.
While it was up, I reread "Shlonglor`s Warcraft 2 Page" with the strategies. I expected the strategies to be `so basic` in comparison of today. Surprisingly, much of the old Warcraft 2 page can be applied to Starcraft 2. The same principles that were outlined then (constantly make harvestors, build orders [yes, there were build orders in Warcraft 2], be offensive, have good unit control) are the essence of Starcraft 2 play (probably more so than Warcraft 3!).
My point is while many Starcraft 2 websites use pages and pages to illustrate one strategy point or use hour long videos of someone bloviating over a replay, the Warcraft 2 page said the same content with much more brevity.
People today do not know how to make a good gaming website which is why gamers gravitate toward message forums. It is tempting to start something for Starcraft 2 to use the brevity of a simple webpage without the hour long videos and countless posts of message board spam that currently accounts for `starcraft 2 strategy`. |
Wootah
non-leet
September 17th, 2010 @ 4:18PM
Registered:
2003-05-16
Location:
Utah
Posts: 1463
| Wow looking at the history, the shlonglor version of the article was removed TODAY. That is lame. Super Lame.
It even had a backup of the smurfing story:
http://nathandemick.com/warcraft2-stories/story13.shtml
There are tons of haters out there. You should probably back that story up on your page Nebu so that if it goes down you can use your orginal story (preserved by other people).
Much of the original stories are preserved here:
http://nathandemick.com/warcraft2-stories/story.shtml
They even kept the colors of Shlonglor.com
I wonder who owns that site, and if they ever come here? You might want to invite them over here and maybe even give him grunt status. Those stories were definitely worth preserving!
My favorite strat was getting invisible peasants back to their base andbuilding walls in their 'flow' and using invisibility on transports.
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radvan
Special Ops
September 17th, 2010 @ 4:37PM
Registered:
2003-03-26
Location:
Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 335
| Haters gonna hate :P
We know the truth shlong :) |
Sikpup
Kali Compton
September 17th, 2010 @ 5:01PM
Registered:
2003-07-06
Location:
New York
Posts: 25
| Checked the internet wayback machine, last cached version of his page is from feb of 1999.
http://waybackmachine.org/19990209123152*/http://www2.andrews.edu/~fraizer/war2.cgi
Oh well. We know the truth, Nebu. |
GroverDill
Special Ops
September 17th, 2010 @ 6:01PM
Registered:
2003-04-09
Location:
your mom's house
Posts: 802
| Silly question: why is Smurfing called Smurfing? What is Smurf-like about those who Smurf? |
m0rb0
General
September 17th, 2010 @ 7:49PM
Registered:
2003-03-27
Location:
San Antonio, TX.
Posts: 469
| Silly question: why is Smurfing called Smurfing? What is Smurf-like about those who Smurf?
Let me spit my old war2 game to you.
It was called smurfing because of one specific game between shlonglor, Shaf(?), and Gotcha! (maybe Warp. who knows. They were brothers I think).
Anyway, it turned into a "smurf" session. All of these pros got on Kali (maybe opne of the Ladder servers - which they never played on. Private games FTW back then) and made names 'PapaSmurf' 'BabySmurf' 'BigSmurf' 'Smurfette' etc.
Basically they DESTROYED people in 2 on 2's and 4 on 4's. Went through a whole server and talked TONS OF SHIT along the way. In the day before voice chat, it was just text smack talk. Epic talk too. It was basically replace "fuck" or "shit" with "smurf".
So that's the story (as I remember it at least) about smurfing. This was circa 1995. It would be HARd to disprove that the war2 connection is the first for the term. SO many people played warcraft2 online back then (millions maybe. A lot of LAN play not via the internet mind you) that the term could have easily carried itself into other meanings and contexts.
I also remember a few years after the term made it into the gaming community - when it was referenced on some show. Someone e-mailed the site and pointed out the reference. The context was something like: "There was a smurfing attack. Looks like he was able to compromise this computer. Blah Bl;ah Blah." Turns out the 'smurf attack' is an OLD method of reverse engineering system security. Had nothing to do with our beloved Shlongie. |
what316
Shithead
September 17th, 2010 @ 8:07PM
Registered:
2003-03-26
Location:
TX
Posts: 964
| People who remember anything from a 1995 internet are an endangered species especially Kali users. I remember feeling like a noob with my big serial# in 1996 or so. |
airety
Marine
September 17th, 2010 @ 8:20PM
Registered:
2003-03-29
Location:
Posts: 119
| Wikipedia is both awesome and totally retarded. You get a bunch of self-righteous "powermods" who basically dictate that articles should have facts as they see fit. |
Ykant
Special Ops
September 17th, 2010 @ 9:33PM
Registered:
2004-09-14
Location:
Chicago, USA
Posts: 173
| You know, this entry just made me realize that I`ve been visiting this site in some form for at LEAST ten years.
Thanks for the good times. |
SourGrapes
Peon
September 18th, 2010 @ 9:41AM
Registered:
2006-06-01
Location:
Posts: 132
| Doesn`t Blizzard do a "Sc2 slang" blog posts on the site? You can get them to add "smurfing" (if they didn`t yet?) Maybe not they got "QQ" wrong too, the meaning bastardized by the WoW community. |
Warp!
Marine
September 19th, 2010 @ 8:14AM
Registered:
2003-04-06
Location:
Midwest
Posts: 72
| There really is no doubt where smurfing started. I was there for the first smurf game. It would have been late 1995 or early 1996. War2 was the big game. Kali was the big gaming service. The Andrews Boys were a dominant War2 force.
As far as whether the "smurf attack" method of attacking a computer network is related, I can't say for sure. The concept is actually similar, since it involves spoofing IP addresses. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the term got its start as a result of "smurfing" or spoofing one's identity in a gaming session. Some of the early attacks ran rampant on the early gaming networks (anyone remember the "ping of death"?)
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