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Doomed
Peon
September 21st, 2004 @ 4:50PM
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| I wont be spending a dime on any more of his crap to put food on his fat table. He said in an Interview, which I wish I saved, that he released the DVD set because "The Market Is Good". Thats pure BS. He didnt release it a year or two ago when the fans asked for it, no, only when it will make him a serious buck, the man could not possibly make any more more he can spend in his lifetime or his childrens lifetime. He OWES the fans, if it wherent for the fans, he would be standing outside of Steven Spielbergs bathroon wiping his ass for a living. |
Patriot
Peon
September 21st, 2004 @ 4:53PM
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| I don`t mind the extra effects as much as the changing the scene from Han Solo`s shoot first in the cantina to shooting only after being shot at. That changes the character from a scoundral to already a good guy. |
Howland
Peon
September 21st, 2004 @ 4:58PM
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| Exactly what changes were made? |
DuPy
Peon
September 21st, 2004 @ 5:01PM
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| People may not like his changes, but it`s up to him to change the story or not. It belongs to him. |
theflux
Marine
September 21st, 2004 @ 5:41PM
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| I loved the original Star Wars (not special edition BS) since I was a child, but honestly I'm not rushing out to buy these things. The small changes, including censorship at some points, all add up to a large dissapointment. Sure the films I love are buried in there somewhere, but I would rather just watch my friends laserdiscs of the true originals - not the bastard ones he produced for lust of money. Until Greedo doesn't shoot at all, I don't see myself slapping down the money. |
forest_queen
Dame
September 21st, 2004 @ 5:52PM
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| I'm sticking to my videos until the price goes down on ebay. Even then, nothing is better than the original version. |
Capricorn
Kali Compton Girl
September 21st, 2004 @ 6:09PM
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| I'm sticking to the original version. |
Clark
CAF Dingy Gunner
September 21st, 2004 @ 6:24PM
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| My copy just arrived today. 42% off and free shipping. I'm happy. If you want to stick to the old VHS that's fine. I'll enjoy mine in high res widescreen thank you very much. Personally I couldn't care less if Greedo shoots first. |
Mookus
Peon
September 21st, 2004 @ 6:40PM
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| So we`ve stumbled upon an important theory here. The less Lucas is able to do, the better the movies are. I vote he just sits Ep.3 out. |
Mad Hatter
Op
September 21st, 2004 @ 6:44PM
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| "When Star Wars came out, any interview I did for Star Wars, I'd say it didn't turn out really the way I wanted -- it's only about 25% of what I thought the movie should be -- and I was very very depressed about it because it never got finished"
I believe that when Star Wars came out, he probably did feel it was not complete. However, I don't think the changes he has done since the Special Edition, were what he had in mind in 1977. Like Greedo shooting first, there was nothing preventing Lucas from doing it this way from the beginning. Lucas grew old, his perspective changed, and now is modifying the movies in ways he had not intended to when he first created them. |
SickofLife322000
Peon
September 21st, 2004 @ 7:26PM
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| It`s a travesty what he did to the movies. Changing the Anakin in the end scene in Return is the worst idea any director has ever had. Worse than Greedo shooting first.
I don`t mind the changes made to the special editions-- some people might actually like them. What I think should have been done is a release of both the original set, and the SE versions. |
Warlock
Peon
September 21st, 2004 @ 7:37PM
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| I gave up on caring about anything Star Wars related after those POS prequels came out.
Although I do recall him saying how much he HATED the DVD format like a year or two back and how Star Wars would NEVER be released on DVD -_- |
Absolution
Peon
September 21st, 2004 @ 7:47PM
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| Hatter, very good point. I think that one point confirms that everything he says is BS. The digital effects are one thing. All they do is make certain scenes stick out like a sore thumb. They are so out of place. But the PC, censorship and other plot editing are unjustifiable. I`m glad every director doesn`t ruin their original vision by mixing in contemporary ideologies. |
DarkPhenomenon
O Canada
September 21st, 2004 @ 8:35PM
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| Who cares, they are entirely his movies he can do anything he likes. If he really wanted he could add Jar Jar Binks to EVERY SINGLE MOVIE and there`s nothing anyone could do about it. Hell, I bet everyone who hates Jar Jar would cough up thier hard earned cash and hand it over to Lucas for those movies and then go on about how much the movies suck. If people don`t like it, don`t pay him the money. Unfortunately there are way too many blind sheep out there. |
pteaxwa
Peon
September 21st, 2004 @ 9:16PM
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| I posted this on /. about Star Wars:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=122191&cid=10282112
Pretty fitting I think. |
dopefish
Peon
September 21st, 2004 @ 9:25PM
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| Looks like the best format for the ORIGINAL original trilogy is LaserDisc. Some people have transferred the movies from the LDs to DVDs, and even made up pretty nice-looking menus and such. Just finished downloading copies the other day.... |
Noss
Peon
September 21st, 2004 @ 9:28PM
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| I would like to quote Aldous Huxley from his Foreword of Brave New World from 1946 (it was originally published in 1932)
"Chronic remorse, as all the moralists are agreed, is a most undesirable sentiment. If you have behaved badly, repent, make what amends you can and address youself to the task of behaving better next time. On no account brood over your wrongdoing. Rolling in the muck is not the best way of getting clean.
Art also has its morality, and many of the rules of this morality are the same as, or at least analogous to, the rules of ordinary ethics. Remorse, for example, is as undesirable in relation to our bad art as it is in relation to our bad behaviour. The badness should be hunted out, acknowledged and, if possible, avoided in the future. To pore over the literary shortcomings of twenty years ago, to attempt to patch a faulty work into the perfection it missed at its first execution, to spend one`s middle age in trying to mend the artistic sins committed and bequeathed by that different person who was oneself in youth - all this is surely vain and futile. And that is why this new `Brave New World` is the same as the old one. Its defects as a work of art are considerable; but in order to correct them I should have to rewrite the book - and in the process of rewriting, as an older, other person, I should probably get rid not only of some faults of the story, but also of such merits as it originally possessed. And so, resisting the temptation to wallow in artistic remorse, I prefer to leave both well and ill alone and to think about something else."
Perhaps George Lucas should pick up a copy of Brave New World. |
Ghost_Stalker
Peon
September 21st, 2004 @ 9:29PM
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| Gah! Lucas replaced the actor that played Vader (Sebastian Shaw) in the scene with Yoda, and Obiwan at the end with Hayden Christensen |
kaoschizm
Peon
September 21st, 2004 @ 9:35PM
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| So basically what he`s saying is that while trying to create a really crappy movie he accidentally came up with a really good one and has been trying to f*ck it up ever since. |
Taft
Peon
September 21st, 2004 @ 11:00PM
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Canada!
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| The Star Wars trilogy was a huge part of my childhood. It is still the ruler by which I judge the heroes and villains from other stories. What it meant to fans such as me apparently has no effect on Darth Lucas.
Alright, it`s decided. The writer of this article is queer. Get over it already and move on with your life! |
Tapar
Posting Ninja
September 21st, 2004 @ 11:54PM
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| I am actually surprized by how much the special addition changes have affected my views on the movies. There are three changes that I dislike, one in each movie. The biggest one is the Han thing, my favorite aspect of Han Solo was that he DID shoot first. He was calm, cocky, and collected...it defined his character for me. I get so upset by the change in that scene that I can`t control the emotional outrage I feel and rather than enjoying the movie I leave the viewing in a much worse mood than when I started. It bothers me that I can logically KNOW that and yet I can`t change how I react emotionally...it is wierd.
I also didn`t like how Luke screamed like a wussy during his fall in empire strikes back...that is a minor one though.
The one that surprizes me the most is that I miss the Yub-Yub song at the end of Return of the Jedi. I thought it was a lame scene when I first saw the movie, but over the years it grew on me and I find myself missing it now that it is gone.
Neither of those ruin the experiance like the Han shooting first thing does. I haven`t convinced myself to go buy these movies yet, the extras almost convinced me...but I don`t want to sell out to the man. |
Validus
Marine
September 22nd, 2004 @ 12:30AM
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| Star Wars DVD Changes
From what`s shown here they don`t seem too bad. Some are questionable, like why did he remove Darth Vader`s eyebrows? I`m sure that was necessary for plot continuity...
When Anakin`s ghost appears to Luke at the end though, shouldn`t he be much older? |
Darren
Red State Cowboy
September 22nd, 2004 @ 12:35AM
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| I`ve owned the original VHS tapes since about 1992ish, and I all I can say is...
From my cold, dead hands George! My cold, dead hands! |
BiVRiP
General
September 22nd, 2004 @ 12:53AM
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| Lucas is an idiot. It`s one thing to make improvements on say the visuals (lightsabers look 100% better, so does Jabba the Hut), it`s something else entirely to change and/or edit a scene to the point of distortion.
The most glaring example is the Cantina scene. In the original, Han Shoots Gweedo first. In the `97 theatre release, Gweedo shoots first, than Han. In the new DVD release, they both shoot pretty much at the same time.
The other major change in the DVD release is that at the end of the third one, when Luke sees the ghosts/apparitions of his father, Yoda, and Obi Wan, the actor who played the ghost of his father has been erased and replaced with Hayden Christiansen. Wtf is that? Why stop there? Why not replace the guy who played Obi Wan w/ Ewan McGregggor? Judging from the pictures, they used the adolesant version of Anakin. How the hell is Luke supposed to recognize who he is? At the very least, they could have shown him as an old man. God knows they have the capabilities. At least then they could say they did it for continuity reasons.
Bottom line: Yes, these are his movies, and if he wants to change him, that`s his choice. But remember, these are more than just movies, they`re art. To those who say "who cares", what he`s doing would be the equivalent of Da Vinci changing the Mona Lisa to show her giving a thumbs up sign, Or Michaelangelo changing the statue of David to show him wearing shorts. Leave them as people remember it (and more important, how they liked it).
Lucas is just indulging his ego and changed perspective now that he`s older. And it`s not like this the first time he`s done this (4 words...ET..FBI agents...Walk-talkies). Uggggh.
Oh, and don`t think this will be the last release either. Expect the HD version to come out in 2-3 years. Before anyone says it, no, the DVD version is not the HD version. In fact, I read somewhere recently that the only true HD DVD that is currenlty out is the latest release of T2.
Sorry for the rant. But things like this really get to me. And it`s not just Lucas. The studios complain about piracy, yet they use and abuse their consumer base every chance they get. How many DVD`s have you seen that have multiple versions out. First you get the usual DVD. Then the Collector`s Edition, than the Director`s Cut, than the uber-duper super extended Director`s Collector Edition. Why can`t they just release the one uber-duper DVD?
Whew, that rants made me hungry. Time for some McDonalds!!! |
Cromar
Peon
September 22nd, 2004 @ 7:46AM
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| The originals are way better, but I like a handful of the effects shots from the special edition (especially Cloud City) that really added some scenery. The added Cantina scenes are very bad CGI, I can do without them, and of course Greedo shooting first sucks (nobody even cared about Greedo until this stupid controversy, haha). I like the idea of seeing Jabba the Hutt in the movie before Jedi (some demonstration of his empire is necessary to give Han`s plight a little more tension) but the way they did it is retarded. He`s a renowned criminal mastermind who sits out on his fat ass in the open where anybody with a grudge, including Han, could have just picked him off in a split second. If they have to add any more character development, add it for Boba Fett, he`s cool as hell but he spends more screen time getting offed than anything else.
And yeah, about the Jabba`s palace dancer`s nipple showing, that was a great joy for me at ten years old to find that in the VHS, I can`t believe an entire generation of kids is going to miss out on that discovery :P |
silvaside
Peon
September 22nd, 2004 @ 9:16AM
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| Am i the only one who`s pissed about the ewok song at the end of jedi changed to some other crap? :( |
tappertrainman
Conservative
September 22nd, 2004 @ 11:06AM
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| I bought them last night and watched A NEW HOPE. The whole scene with Greedo, you can't tell who shoots first, but I agree with Lucas. Han is not a murderer, he's a scoundrel and a maverick (political buzzword). And you can keep your crap videos, this print looks perfect. The colors are full, and bright, and dark. There is no dirt, it is really amazing that this film was 20 years old, they did a fantastic job on it.
BTW, I only watched in on my computer, our 52in widescreen HDTV is broken. I'm still in mourning til the repair man comes... |
Noss
Peon
September 22nd, 2004 @ 11:58AM
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| silvaside I thought I was the only one....
That is one of my most hated changes. It`s not that the Ewok music was especially fantastic, but it just fit better with what I figure Ewoks would play, and the transition from the Ewok music to the end credits music is one of my favorite things. |
Warlock
Peon
September 22nd, 2004 @ 3:47PM
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| Yeah, I`ve hated the removal of the Ewok song ever since the special editions.. |
Cahbreis
Marine
September 22nd, 2004 @ 3:52PM
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| I didn't mind the changes too much, but puting Hayden in the final scene of Return of the Jedi is just horrid...Luke would be like, "Who the hell is that kid?" Luke just freakin' saw his father's face for the first time not 10 minutes before. That's plain ridiculous. |
tappertrainman
Conservative
September 22nd, 2004 @ 4:10PM
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| They made Hayden look pretty good at the end of Return of the Jedi. He looks a lot older than Episode 2, for those of you who haven't seen the DVDs. I don't know if this is true, but apparently he reverts back to his younger "ghost" because that was the last time he was a "Jedi" not a Sith. Supposedly this gets explained in Episode 3 anyways, according to Lucas. |
Darren
Red State Cowboy
September 23rd, 2004 @ 12:10AM
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| :groan: I was seven when A New Hope was released. I remember hearing from my babysitter that Darth Vader was Luke`s father (and I didn`t know how birds and the bees worked yet).
I was 18 when I killed my first bounty hunter, because I learned it all from Han Solo. Then I went out and cut my brother`s hand off with a lightsabre. Such PC nonsense to doctor it up. Oh well, George won`t be getting my cash like I said. No way I would pay to rewrite over some very happy childhood memories. |
